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PostSubject: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 4:59 am

I've wanted a kennel of my own for a long long time, not for the money but because I LOVE the APBT. From reading certain forums, I can see why some people are angry about most of the breeders out there. I wont name any kennels in general, but I KNOW for a fact that they are makeing WAY to much money off of the breed. To me it seems like thats their only source of income. I mean, you see them sporting around their brand new BMW or their new motorcycles, and charging WAY to much for a pup. To me, 2000.00 dollars for one pup is absolutely ridculous! Plus you have the shipping, I can understand shipping cost...because its not cheap. But Why charge so much, 2000-3000 dollars for a pup is crazy!
To me a decent price for a pup is any where between 500-700 dollars, most dont have to charge that much for a pup, they can make 2000, just by studding out their dog.

Something else that bothers me, is that while they are sporting their new rides and haven fun, their dogs have sores from laying in the kennels all the time, or their vehicles get washed more. I'm not a breeder, but I hope to be some day. IF and when that day comes, you certainly wont see me charging 2-3000 dollars for one pup. I cant understand why they want to charge that much. Not to mention some of their dogs have seen more A** then my husband will EVER see in his life time lol! Just so everyone knows, this isnt directed towards ANYONE on this board....
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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 5:09 am

They are called peddlers and they dont care about the breed!

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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 5:24 am

Hahahhahahaha A** then your husband....
Thats funny!!
But yea, i hear what you are saying.. The highest i have seen a pitbull go for in Canada is $1000.. A man offered me $1000 for a white male that i had.. I coulda used the money, but !!!!!, i loved that dog..
BUt i got Harley from a woman, That didnt have a kennel, but knew what she was doing and knew the lines of the puppies, she had pedigree and all, Just no money for the papers.. But i got him for $150.
Pantera is show stock more then Harley, BUt i got her from a kennel for $500.
I know Jenny Sells hers for a great price!! If i had to choose, i would love one from her, BUT.. Then there is Rebby.... Zeus is awesome, But so is Rebby... That, my friends, would be a HARD decisison..
Just for the info, To the people that have kennels or am starting one, What do you or will you charge for your puppies??? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 6:00 am

Me personally, I could care less about selling a puppy off my breedings, but lets look at the reality of things here. I cannot keep a litter of 7 off everybreeding that I do. I do my breedings to build my lines, and for my yard.

As far as price that depends on the pedigree and status of the dogs being bred. Say for instance, if I ever get the chance to do another pure tnt breeding, pups will run no less than 1000. Some of my breedings I may charge less.

Vet bills, and dog food aren't cheap either so I take into consideration that fact as well. While I don't use my dogs as a source of income, if I am going to breed, I want a little something to put back into my dogs.
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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 1:29 pm

i wouldnt pay more than 5-700 for a dog so I dont expect others too.

The Gracie litter will go for that range to outsiders!. Not board members
but then again it depends on how many are born and all that.

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Thats what I would charge as well oldfort, if I were a kennel. 5-700 is a reasonable price for a reg. pup. But I can also understand where schismatic is comming from, because vaccination shots and deworming isnt cheap either. Neither is the shipping cost, What would everyone charge for stud service, and what would everyone charge for a deposite to hold the pup??
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Thats what I would charge as well oldfort, if I were a kennel. 5-700 is a reasonable price for a reg. pup. But I can also understand where schismatic is comming from, because vaccination shots and deworming isnt cheap either. Neither is the shipping cost, What would everyone charge for stud service, and what would everyone charge for a deposite to hold the pup??

Deposits are $200, and for stud, I would more than likely do a pup deal. Brucellosis testing is required for females, I would only stud to approved females. I have no set price yet for studs they are just lil tykes right now. Depends really on if they can prove themselves as awesome dogs. Wink

5-700 is a great price for a pup, but I have also paid a grand for a pup too, so for something that I am willing to pay out for, I wouldn't expect to be asked to give them away to just anyone. I'm more about placing my pups than selling anyway.

You also have vaccinations, wormings, and vet visits, because my pups will always come with a health certificate. I give a 48 hr clause, 15 clause and a 1 year health guarantee against congentital hereditary diseases. In certain circumstances if someone was to call me 4 years down the line with something that would effect the line tremendously I would also cover them there. If you buy a female from me you have use of my studs w/ a pup back from that breeding. I think I'm pretty dang fair. bom
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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 10:37 pm

Ok here goes....

My kennel will be a working kennel. I will only have a breeding once every two years because my soul perpose is not to breed. Its to preserve the working ability in the APBT (which so many people are letting go) and to create more working ability to the American Bully. The general public sees American Bully as an APBT so why not give them something good to talk about instead of a sloppy duck waddling dog.

The pups i have will not go for an outrageous price. My reason for breeding the two dogs will not be to make money, but to add what I'm looking for to my yard. So there is no need to breed very often.
The price of the pups will vary depending on the home they are going to.

For example: If I had a litter of pups and OFK wanted one he would get one for a very low price because i know he works his dogs plus does some conformation. So i would feel comfortable knowing that this pup will do its job.
Now someone who only wants a pup just because they want on will get a higher price and breeding rights will not be given until the pup is 2yrs.

So for someone who is going to use the pups for working/showing (more work than show) will get a pup for about $300
A pet home will get one for about $600.

For those that want to know more about my layout check out his link....... http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbullforums/general-discussion/1244-my-idea.html


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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 10:44 pm

schismatickennels, yah thats pretty dang fair
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schismatickennels, yah thats pretty dang fair

Well I can tell ya right now, if something was to happen say for instance in your case where the dog got demodetic mange, I would replace the pup or give you a complete refund. either way you would keep that dog. I'm not up for ripping dogs away from families regardless of the situation. Unless you didn't want the dog. You would need valid vet proof, and I don't pay for vet bills, but I do right by anyone I work with period.

Andy would be someone I would place pups with...lol I know what he does, I know what he's working toward, and I know that he will always be willing to work with me whatever the situation might be. But I wouldn't expect the same from him. I haven't proven myself as a "working kennel" YET. But I am working on it, and with his help, and some of his friends, I'm going to do my best to make my dogs top notch. My dogs will need experience handlers, as they are not couch potato pits and won't be. They'll need someone to work with them on a decent schedule. I wouldn't ask more than I could give for my own dogs.
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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 11:42 pm

I know when Legend was about 6 or 7 months old someone told me they had just bred their two dogs. And when I looked into the price tag on the pups were $3500 affraid WHAT????!!! I'm like you must be smoking crack if you think I'm going to pay 3500 for a dog! Especially when the dogs have no titles under there belt and havent been checked for health testings. NOTHING.But they are stunning dogs and have an excellent pedigree. No thanks! I wouldnt pay over $1500 + shipping. $2000 if I REALLY REALLY want the dog. And since I'm on the cheap side I seriously doubt I would spend 2000. When I can take that money and go on a shopping spree for the dogs I have now! lol Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeWed Nov 29, 2006 11:46 pm

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I know when Legend was about 6 or 7 months old someone told me they had just bred their two dogs. And when I looked into the price tag on the pups were $3500 affraid WHAT????!!! I'm like you must be smoking crack if you think I'm going to pay 3500 for a dog! Especially when the dogs have no titles under there belt and havent been checked for health testings. NOTHING.But they are stunning dogs and have an excellent pedigree. No thanks! I wouldnt pay over $1500 + shipping. $2000 if I REALLY REALLY want the dog. And since I'm on the cheap side I seriously doubt I would spend 2000. When I can take that money and go on a shopping spree for the dogs I have now! lol Very Happy

I would NEVER, and I mean absolutely never regardless of ped and ch status on the dog pay that price. You must think I"M SMOKING CRACK! lmao Seriously though, for 3500, your dog better crap gold, and train itself. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Something that irritates me...   Something that irritates me... Icon_minitimeThu Nov 30, 2006 12:11 am

You'd be surprised at the people who will pay that much for a dog. On the EE board they sell there pups between $1500-$3000 for pups and $1500-$8000 for adult dog depending on ped! NO JOKE!
I'll find a post from there of a guy who was selling his adult female $7500.

Its only costing me $4500 to build my kennels, dog house and all. I'm not paying more for one dog! Rolling Eyes
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Look at all the breeding this kennels has going down all at about the same time!

http://www.killinoiskennels.com/breedings.htm
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Thats alot of breeding, I myself, if I were a kennel wouldnt do more then Two breeding at a time. Ok, let me ask another question....lets say you were looking for a pup to add to your yard, and you see that (just random picking here) 21 black jack from gottyline kennels or Kracker from Mikeland Kennels all had pups and they were selling for 3000 a piece, would you pay that much, if thats the type of breeding you were looking for??
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"your dog better crap gold and train itself" <<< I KNOw thats right for 3500!!!! LOL Razz Very Happy

And Midwest for that kennel breeding so much. Geez... How in the h3ll do they keep up with all the pups progress if you have 3-4 litters (I'm guessing between 5-13 pups for each litter)??!! Thats alot of babies to look after!
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Thats alot of breeding, I myself, if I were a kennel wouldnt do more then Two breeding at a time. Ok, let me ask another question....lets say you were looking for a pup to add to your yard, and you see that (just random picking here) 21 black jack from gottyline kennels or Kracker from Mikeland Kennels all had pups and they were selling for 3000 a piece, would you pay that much, if thats the type of breeding you were looking for??

absolutely not. Sorry but I can find what I am looking for elsewhere. I have 4 children to support and they come first regardless, it would be seriously taking away from my children.

On a different note, I don't know how Andy feels about this, but i don't think posting up another person's website and starting a bashing session about their kennel is appropriate. I don't know these people, don't know their breeding plans, nor do I have any right to judge what they are doing. As long as their dogs are well taken care of. I got no gripe with anyone. JMO..... (And I'm not hating on ya Midwest but I wouldn't appreciate it if someone posted my link and decided to bring it up as a bad thing)
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Well, In that note too tho, if they thought what they were doing is right, then they probably wouldnt care right??
That is ALOT of breeding going on... Why would you want to have that many litters going on?? I think it is wrong and i have seen kennels with numerous litters and nasty pics of the breeding going on.... Thats nasty!!! I dont wanna go on a site to see pics of the dogs doing the matress mombo.. If you need proof of the breeding, Do what my breeder friend did, Email the pics!!! Dont put them on disply as doggy porno!! Im pretty sure that it hurts both dogs and they look like they could be in pain.. I mean , Having your penis pointing in the other dierction and locked in a female cant feel that great... Wink
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I had 3 females that were available to breed but now one of those were spayed because she developed a skin condition and with the guarantees that I give I just could think of breeding her again so she is now spayed and a lazy house dog.. as for the others I don't have 2 litter at a time..(too much work) I maybe have 1 litter a year and depending on the parents prices range from 250-800... My dogs do search and rescue, and one is training in handicap assistance (the inside female) and Chico and Chapparra and pequeno are also all therapy dogs..schools, adult day cares etc... I am looking to train chico and chapparra in weight pull as well... as for stud fee they are between 500-1000 ... and maybe less depending on if I want a puppy deal....All of my dogs are health tested and have all been health certified... and I am going to ask the same from any female brought into my yard to breed.. In total I have had 4 people want to use my stud services and 1of them passed my inspection of their female.. as for stipulations when purchasing a pup from me.. I ask for references 3 people or a current vet and 1 neighbor.. and I also do a employment check and you have to be working continuously for at least 6 months... reason behind that is because I want to make sure that you are financially able to take care of and raise one of my pups.... As for what i give with my pups... My pups are all health certified, and guaranteed for 1 year (as long as vaccinations and regular vet visits are done) if the pup gets sick and it is deemed something genetic or directly at faught of mine I will refund money, or give another pup... They also are UTD on vaccinations and deworming and all come with a Puppy starter kit, that included 12+ articles on the breed , a book about what to expect the first few weeks and also how to train later and more info to, and coupons for puppy food..all kinds of things... I also ask that I get pictures of the pup every 6 months.. so I can make sure that the puppy continues in great health.... Anyway sorry for rambling I guess that answers all your questions from my standpoint anyway..

And as for Pantera....Chico is very hurt that you said Zeus and Rebel was awesome and he wasn't..... Sad
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I would never pay that much for a dog!
I've learned that high price doesn't mean quality. Just because your paying a high price for something doesn't mean your getting the best. Suspect

As for stud fees. If i am contacted by another kennel wanting to use one of my males for their proven/titled weight pulling female i would either want a pup or only charge about $300 stud fee, but for those who only want him so they can have a big bully for their female..... will get a NO! No There are enough people doing that.
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I think the majority of us wouldnt pay those prices but you need to look at the kind of dogs they are selling and who they are selling too. ALOT not all of the big bully lovers that sell so high are into the lowrider group. What I mean is that this group of people are into THINGS that make them who they are. Look at what they pay into their cars. The dogs are just an extension of that.

Also on a side note, if someone offered me 3500 for one of my pups Id probably take it:) So if they can get that for their dogs and they have nuts willing to pay, I guess its just their business, not mine. As long as the price I have is fair to me I dont really care what other do in the long run.

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ahh lowriders.. not the dogs but the cars gotta love it. get me a 72 edo with some switches nothin better in this world. then again i love to billy up a truck
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Yeah I like trucks! I've got a '96 F150 that i'm gonna turn into a bang'n @ss ride.

I'll start anoth thread on "rides". Lets keep this one on topic Very Happy
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Well, In that note too tho, if they thought what they were doing is right, then they probably wouldnt care right??
That is ALOT of breeding going on... Why would you want to have that many litters going on?? I think it is wrong and i have seen kennels with numerous litters and nasty pics of the breeding going on.... Thats nasty!!! I dont wanna go on a site to see pics of the dogs doing the matress mombo.. If you need proof of the breeding, Do what my breeder friend did, Email the pics!!! Dont put them on disply as doggy porno!! Im pretty sure that it hurts both dogs and they look like they could be in pain.. I mean , Having your penis pointing in the other dierction and locked in a female cant feel that great... Wink

I talk to several kennels that have had several breedings this year, sometimes they do it for they own yard, if you are breeding to build your lines then sometimes you end up with a bunch at a time, could end up that they have no breedings planned for 2 or more years after a lump sum of breedings.

I have lock up pics on my site, and I will continue to do so. It may hurt but most people want proof the breeding. I don't blame them, if I don't know you then I want proof that they were even locked. I've seen people get majorly screwed and there never was a lock up. I dunno I guess its the way you look at it, I've never seen a dog reathing in pain from gettin his rocks off, most studs turn themselves in that direction. It's the direction they are suppose to be during a lockup.

It's not my place to judge anyone for what they give, or sell their dogs for, if they can get that price, by god more power to them. Some people use their dogs as business, and Ipersonally don't have a problem with it. I knew a woman that would live off welfare if she didn't sell dogs. It was her way of living. Whether it be cattle, horses, or dogs, if your breeding, taking care of the animals, and cleaning crap everyday, I got major respect no matter what you charge for your dogs. Doesn't mean I'm paying it though.
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sorry i got side tracked !!!!! adhd lol
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