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MisterMatt
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PostSubject: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 2:07 am

what and why do people do what they do to pits to make them such monsters?

i dont own 1 and its already become such a headache with talking to people about them and trying to explain my views on it.

theres so much negativity from most everyone surrounding pits, that it kinda makes me not want to own 1 just for that reason.

but then since i really like the dog and want to prove them all wrong i keep researching them.

how do yall do it and not get overly frustrated with all the negativity?

people have told me that its the end of my children if i do get a pit. and also that none of their friends or family friends are going to ever want to step foot in our house because of the dog.

why am i venting and i dont even own the dog yet bom

ive never gotten this excited about owning a dog before, its just weird


oh and hello everyone cheers
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 2:19 am

IMO People that say stuff like that just listen to what they hear in the media about the dog they never research or have ever owned one before yet they tend to know everything about the animal when in true life its not the dog its the other monster at the other end of the leash that is dangerous but you always have to take the bad with the good when it comes to these animals once you get one IF YOU DO and people see that you take care of it raise it right and how great of a dog it turns out to be they that will HELP with they way your friends think of them but there will always be people that think what everyone else is telling them about the dog because you cant fix stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 3:21 am

Matt people in general are born followers. As such they do exactly what the media feeds them Thats all they know as the vast majority will never lift a finger to do any research on thier own. Seeing as the media loves to portray the APBT in a negative light the mass majority of citizens watch the news and take it to be true.

Simply put I have toned out most people. I could care less what others have to say. When I do get into a debate with someone I always win, why? Because I know what I own and unlike them who only have the media I have personal experience with the dogs and have FACTS. Something the majority of them lack, Most of the time its "Ive heard, or I know of a friend, Or I saw on TV but I have facts and they cant refute that.

Dont let them get you down. If you want one get one. The proof is in the pudding so to so. Once you get one and the critics actually see it and see that you have a great dog they really cant say anything more at that point.!!

Good job on researching the breed before you get into it. I wish more people would do that, we would have less problems. Wheather you get one or not at least you have taken the time to gather and weigh out the information.

If you are looking for a good dog, I might be able to help you!

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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 3:39 am

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Matt people in general are born followers. As such they do exactly what the media feeds them Thats all they know as the vast majority will never lift a finger to do any research on thier own. Seeing as the media loves to portray the APBT in a negative light the mass majority of citizens watch the news and take it to be true.

Simply put I have toned out most people. I could care less what others have to say. When I do get into a debate with someone I always win, why? Because I know what I own and unlike them who only have the media I have personal experience with the dogs and have FACTS. Something the majority of them lack, Most of the time its "Ive heard, or I know of a friend, Or I saw on TV but I have facts and they cant refute that.

Dont let them get you down. If you want one get one. The proof is in the pudding so to so. Once you get one and the critics actually see it and see that you have a great dog they really cant say anything more at that point.!!

Good job on researching the breed before you get into it. I wish more people would do that, we would have less problems. Wheather you get one or not at least you have taken the time to gather and weigh out the information.

If you are looking for a good dog, I might be able to help you!

great post andy
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 4:52 am

I think it was best said when Bluffside stated that the problem is the monster at the other end of the leash. I like to look at it this way, are children not a reflection of their parents? Same goes for your pit...
A dog is only as good as their owner. As for the problems with the rumors and negative light that is shed on them, I actually find it comical to listen to people talk about things that they obviously no NOTHING about...

As long as you do your home work first and except the fact that people have problems with them then you will not be disappointed...
Who knows you just might change someones mind about them, I did..

Like oldfort said, I have personal experience with the dogs and have FACTS. Something the majority of them lack, Most of the time its "Ive heard, or I know of a friend, Or I saw on TV but I have facts and they cant refute that.

The best advise I can give you is Don't set yourself up for failure.
I think you already have but make sure you do your home work first.
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MisterMatt
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 11:17 am

ericschevy wrote:
The best advise I can give you is Don't set yourself up for failure.
I think you already have but make sure you do your home work first.

how have i set myself up for failure?
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 11:21 am

I think his sentances ran together. If read slow I think he was saying

I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK

not you have already set yourself up for failure

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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 11:55 am

Oldfort wrote:
I think his sentances ran together. If read slow I think he was saying

I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK

not you have already set yourself up for failure

That had me going too

Oldfort said it all in his post earlier.

And friends who say "We won't set foot in your house because you own a pit" aren't you friends.

Pitbulls are also called "The Nanny Dog" for a reason.....
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 12:11 pm

Xelleron wrote:
Oldfort wrote:
I think his sentances ran together. If read slow I think he was saying

I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK

not you have already set yourself up for failure

That had me going too

Oldfort said it all in his post earlier.

And friends who say "We won't set foot in your house because you own a pit" aren't you friends.

Pitbulls are also called "The Nanny Dog" for a reason.....

that comes mainly from good ol momma

thanks andy for all your help
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 6:50 pm

Oldfort wrote:
I think his sentances ran together. If read slow I think he was saying

I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK

not you have already set yourself up for failure

Yeah, Andys right. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 7:46 pm

ericschevy wrote:
Oldfort wrote:
I think his sentances ran together. If read slow I think he was saying

I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK

not you have already set yourself up for failure

Yeah, Andys right. LOL

Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 7:52 pm

When I say don't set yourself up for failure I mainly mean
except the fact that they have a bad image, Like bluffside said "You have to take the good with the bad."

A good example would be, I have had Pits for a little over 4 years now and I still have to hear an older woman at work tell me I am crazy for owning one. And having kids in the house is what really gets her going. My pits and kids are best friends...
I will make comments like hey Betty you should of seen Tyler playing with my Pits last night, They were having a blast....And then watch S@!T
hit the fan.."You know one of these days that dog is going to turn on that boy and either tear him up or kill him." affraid Yeah right LOL

When I encounter people like this I usually try to educate them first and if that don't work I just smile and Nod..

This woman and many others have never had one nor any dog for that matter, Yet know so much about them>>HOW CAN THIS BE?
She gets her info from the news and news paper and then probably passes her stupid beliefs on to HER offspring like her parents did to her. The problem with the news IMO is that you never hear about any dog of any breed doing any good, Therefore the only image of them in peoples eyes is negative...

If you were president would you punish the entire world for what Binladen did to our trade centers? Its no different than persecuting an entire breed for what a few pits did..IMO

OK, I'm done, I could go on for days about this...LOL
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 10:52 pm

ericschevy wrote:
When I say don't set yourself up for failure I mainly mean
except the fact that they have a bad image, Like bluffside said "You have to take the good with the bad."

A good example would be, I have had Pits for a little over 4 years now and I still have to hear an older woman at work tell me I am crazy for owning one. And having kids in the house is what really gets her going. My pits and kids are best friends...
I will make comments like hey Betty you should of seen Tyler playing with my Pits last night, They were having a blast....And then watch S@!T
hit the fan.."You know one of these days that dog is going to turn on that boy and either tear him up or kill him." affraid Yeah right LOL

When I encounter people like this I usually try to educate them first and if that don't work I just smile and Nod..

This woman and many others have never had one nor any dog for that matter, Yet know so much about them>>HOW CAN THIS BE?
She gets her info from the news and news paper and then probably passes her stupid beliefs on to HER offspring like her parents did to her. The problem with the news IMO is that you never hear about any dog of any breed doing any good, Therefore the only image of them in peoples eyes is negative...

If you were president would you punish the entire world for what Binladen did to our trade centers? Its no different than persecuting an entire breed for what a few pits did..IMO

OK, I'm done, I could go on for days about this...LOL

ya, i think ive actually gotten through to my mom about who really is the bad guy when it comes to these dogs having a bad rep. but its hard with all the media coverage and even youtube has videos of pitbull attacks (but they also have some real good videos showing the other side of pits that the majority doesnt know exists).

in all honesty, have any of yall ever had any real behavioral problems with your dogs?
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 11:06 pm

Nothing serious, I have a little trouble with the two of mine geting "Too playfull".
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2007 11:17 pm

ericschevy wrote:
Nothing serious, I have a little trouble with the two of mine geting "Too playfull".

but no problem with kids and adults?
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSun Jan 28, 2007 1:44 am

See my dog Pantera is AWESOME with kids.... She is great, i couldnt be happier with her in that way, BUt........ She kills little animals....2 fuzzy tree rodents and a cage full of rats.... She is TERRIBLE with cats, and jumps on my 12 week old ragdoll kitten, Pantera is 50lbs, the kitten 2 lbs... She attacked my momma cat, Coyote and nearl killed her, i mean i had blood and poop all over the walls... It was not nice... I mean that blood was from the cat, i thought she was dying.... Sad The cat was fine but that scared the living crap outta me...... So other then the little animal thing, Pantera is an awesome dog....
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSun Jan 28, 2007 2:25 am

It amazes me how it is forgetten that pits were bred to be loyal to man but animal aggressive. If you have a human aggressive pit it is not true to the nature and this comes from either ignorant breeders or ignorant owners. Temperment is genetic to a certain extent but at the same time any untrained dog can be a threat! I always tell folks they need to do OB TRAINING you will have few to no problems with a trained dog!
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSun Jan 28, 2007 3:16 am

redsky wrote:
It amazes me how it is forgetten that pits were bred to be loyal to man but animal aggressive. If you have a human aggressive pit it is not true to the nature and this comes from either ignorant breeders or ignorant owners. Temperment is genetic to a certain extent but at the same time any untrained dog can be a threat! I always tell folks they need to do OB TRAINING you will have few to no problems with a trained dog!

how soon is the optimum time to do ob training?
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i cant speak for everyone but i would say 4 to 5 months old. thats the age that rico attention span was growing and he could start really paying attention.
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wheezie wayne wrote:
i cant speak for everyone but i would say 4 to 5 months old. thats the age that rico attention span was growing and he could start really paying attention.

Yep that's about right. Everything i have ever read on it says six months but I start way before then. I start training mine around the same time i start potty etc. Not to say they know it then but it keeps them nice and calm as pups.
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i never really thought that this was that amazing until i was talking to my trainer about it, when rico was just a puppy he peed 2 times in the house he was house broke at 9 weeks old.
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSun Jan 28, 2007 4:48 am

redsky wrote:
It amazes me how it is forgetten that pits were bred to be loyal to man but animal aggressive. If you have a human aggressive pit it is not true to the nature and this comes from either ignorant breeders or ignorant owners. Temperment is genetic to a certain extent but at the same time any untrained dog can be a threat! I always tell folks they need to do OB TRAINING you will have few to no problems with a trained dog!

As true as that is... I have 2 Pitbulls, Harley dont care for the little animals, but her, she will destroy any that cross her path.... Harley knows that if he ever hurt my cats, he would get an ass whoopin, thats how he was trained, Now with Pantera, i have trained her the same way and she dont want to listen... at all... I will tell her NO and she still does it.... She dont care, as long as the animal she has in her mouth is dead...
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSun Jan 28, 2007 6:18 am

MisterMatt wrote:
ericschevy wrote:
Nothing serious, I have a little trouble with the two of mine geting "Too playfull".

but no problem with kids and adults?

Absolutely not!!!! Mine have never showed a tooth nor any type of questionable behaviour towards anyone other than the occasional barking and such which by the way can happen with any breed..

Redsky beat me to it but like she said APBTs have never been breed to be hostile towards people..If they are, It's not a pit or its had bad breeding in it's past...

However, don't forget that their is a high probability that they will not get along with other DOGS, These dogs were intended for fighting and that will always be a part of them..That is not to say that they can not get along with others because they can, It does happen.
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Yep you got eric! They were bred to be ANIMAL AGGRESSIVE there is a major difference between that and human aggression!!! If a pit kills an animal i don't trip because it's in their blood and you can't take that away. You will find some that are less aggressive toward animals then others has alot to do with the way they were bred, raised and trained! I've not had any of my current ones kill anything intentionally but my red noses would kill rabbits, squerrels and any other small animal they could get to and it never shocked me or upset me.
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PostSubject: Re: can someone explain   can someone explain Icon_minitimeSun Jan 28, 2007 6:41 am

redsky wrote:
Yep you got eric! They were bred to be ANIMAL AGGRESSIVE there is a major difference between that and human aggression!!! If a pit kills an animal i don't trip because it's in their blood and you can't take that away. You will find some that are less aggressive toward animals then others has alot to do with the way they were bred, raised and trained! I've not had any of my current ones kill anything intentionally but my red noses would kill rabbits, squerrels and any other small animal they could get to and it never shocked me or upset me.

Yup, animal agression is to be exspected... Razz
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