Panache X Sierra

APBT4ME · Subject: Re: Panache X Sierra Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:00 am

Sierra has a beautiful color, very unique I love you

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Pantera2006 · Subject: Re: Panache X Sierra Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:30 am

Great site!! I was looking at your merle page, and saw that it said that the merles have heath issues and too never breed 2 together??
What i dont understand is how does a colour make a difference??? I dont get that?? Let me know?? Surprised

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Oldfort · Admin Number of posts: 688 Registration date: 2006-11-07

While Im NO expert on this I believe its in the genes behind the color. My wife would know more about this than I. She is really good and into genetics.

Im sure Red can elaborate further.

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schismatickennels · Subject: Re: Panache X Sierra Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:29 am

Oldfort wrote:

While Im NO expert on this I believe its in the genes behind the color. My wife would know more about this than I. She is really good and into genetics.

Im sure Red can elaborate further.

Yep that's just exactly it Andy. I'm not an expert at it either, but yea genetics is a big factor and merles/whites, and even blues can cause a whole bunch of problems. Blues are usually coat problems, but merle and white carry genes that cause deafness and blindness. I know there is more, though.

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Pantera2006 wrote:

Great site!! I was looking at your merle page, and saw that it said that the merles have heath issues and too never breed 2 together??
What i dont understand is how does a colour make a difference??? I dont get that?? Let me know?? Surprised

A merle is a dilute, meaning they have messed up pigment just like an albino child. Due to that loss in pigment they tend to experience hearing and sight loss. Also tend to have a low immune system which can cause skin/coat issues as well as several other things. It's not so much the coat color but the reasoning of the coat color looking the way it does. Merle is also dominate so if a dog is merle you will definatly know.

As far as color itself and determining it you would need to have at least six generations of complete info to know what to expect and even then it's still a guess you just know a little more about what to expect. I know nothing about Panache's background so I can only speculate that they will have mostly blues and brindles (I can't say they will definately have x amount of this or that). I know in sierra's last litter she produced five blues, one black and white and four seals. I know Panache has produced blues, seal and white, mostly white and brindle pups. I do have a genetic predictor program on my pc so I tend to throw what I have (the info i have) in it and see what the program thinks will come out and sometimes it is right on target, sometimes not.

Hope I didn't confuse you with all my babble.

LegendsMami · Subject: Re: Panache X Sierra Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:54 am

That made sense to me Red. Thats pretty cool with the genetics stuff. I have a question! LOL...Why is blue eyes a fault in APBTs? Someone asked me and I had no clue. I was thinking b/c its associated with Merle colring and hearing problems and all that. But I really don't know.

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Pantera2006 · Subject: Re: Panache X Sierra Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:43 am

Awwwwww Ok, thats too bad, cuz they are awesome looking dogs!!!! I would love that colour!! Would the same apply to Great danes, Cuz that one outta 6 colours that they are "allowed"

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LegendsMami wrote:

That made sense to me Red. Thats pretty cool with the genetics stuff. I have a question! LOL...Why is blue eyes a fault in APBTs? Someone asked me and I had no clue. I was thinking b/c its associated with Merle colring and hearing problems and all that. But I really don't know.

It depends on the actual blue of the eye. If it is the glassy blue look then yes it is due to pigment problems but an actual blue like human blue eye is not a fault it's the glassy blue that shows signs of lack of pigment which leads to them same issues from the merle and albino genes. I would post pics but might insult some folks so I won't lol.

LegendsMami · Subject: Re: Panache X Sierra Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:53 am

redsky wrote:

LegendsMami wrote:

That made sense to me Red. Thats pretty cool with the genetics stuff. I have a question! LOL...Why is blue eyes a fault in APBTs? Someone asked me and I had no clue. I was thinking b/c its associated with Merle colring and hearing problems and all that. But I really don't know.

It depends on the actual blue of the eye. If it is the glassy blue look then yes it is due to pigment problems but an actual blue like human blue eye is not a fault it's the glassy blue that shows signs of lack of pigment which leads to them same issues from the merle and albino genes. I would post pics but might insult some folks so I won't lol.

Lol...Gemyni's one eye is blue. (If you can see my banner). I know nothing about her pedigree or anything. Still havent caught up with my sister yet. Were still missing each other's phone calls. lol

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LegendsMami wrote:

redsky wrote:

LegendsMami wrote:

That made sense to me Red. Thats pretty cool with the genetics stuff. I have a question! LOL...Why is blue eyes a fault in APBTs? Someone asked me and I had no clue. I was thinking b/c its associated with Merle colring and hearing problems and all that. But I really don't know.

It depends on the actual blue of the eye. If it is the glassy blue look then yes it is due to pigment problems but an actual blue like human blue eye is not a fault it's the glassy blue that shows signs of lack of pigment which leads to them same issues from the merle and albino genes. I would post pics but might insult some folks so I won't lol.

Lol...Gemyni's one eye is blue. (If you can see my banner). I know nothing about her pedigree or anything. Still havent caught up with my sister yet. Were still missing each other's phone calls. lol

that's not the pigment problem type of blue though, the eye actually has a glassy look to it when there are pigment issues.

LegendsMami · Subject: Re: Panache X Sierra Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:34 am

redsky wrote:

LegendsMami wrote:

redsky wrote:

LegendsMami wrote:

That made sense to me Red. Thats pretty cool with the genetics stuff. I have a question! LOL...Why is blue eyes a fault in APBTs? Someone asked me and I had no clue. I was thinking b/c its associated with Merle colring and hearing problems and all that. But I really don't know.

It depends on the actual blue of the eye. If it is the glassy blue look then yes it is due to pigment problems but an actual blue like human blue eye is not a fault it's the glassy blue that shows signs of lack of pigment which leads to them same issues from the merle and albino genes. I would post pics but might insult some folks so I won't lol.

Lol...Gemyni's one eye is blue. (If you can see my banner). I know nothing about her pedigree or anything. Still havent caught up with my sister yet. Were still missing each other's phone calls. lol

that's not the pigment problem type of blue though, the eye actually has a glassy look to it when there are pigment issues.

Oh okay. I understand now!

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MidwestBully wrote:

This should be an awsome breeding. Do you know their working abilities?

Kurupt has been worked alot and he is a !!!!! good worker another reason i am going with him. He has also been protection trained, although I don't agree with protection training pits but that's just me.