Intresting Picture????

General Impression
The American Bully should give the impression of great strength for his size. A well put-together dog, muscular, but agile and graceful, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-legged or racy in outline. His courage is proverbial.

This doesn't sound like the UKC standard (over done dogs are not looked well on) or a description of the dog posted at the beginning of this thread so again I ask what is that dog? This sounds more like AKC not UKC but that's my take on it.

redsky wrote:

General Impression
The American Bully should give the impression of great strength for his size. A well put-together dog, muscular, but agile and graceful, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-legged or racy in outline. His courage is proverbial.

This doesn't sound like the UKC standard or a description of the dog posted at the beginning of this thread so again I ask what is that dog?

Ya beat me to it Christie.

schismatickennels wrote:

redsky wrote:

General Impression
The American Bully should give the impression of great strength for his size. A well put-together dog, muscular, but agile and graceful, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-legged or racy in outline. His courage is proverbial.

This doesn't sound like the UKC standard or a description of the dog posted at the beginning of this thread so again I ask what is that dog?

Ya beat me to it Christie.

LOL. I read through that standard and I personally don't see it being alot like UKC more so like AKC. There are some common things but there is a lot of difference to.

redsky wrote:

There is no weight range for the UKC so I wonder what over the weight range is?

Over 65 ... imo


I said it KINDA sounds like AKC UKC. I didn't say it was AKC UKC. There are some similarities to the standards.

this is the UKC Standard:
breHistory

Sometime during the nineteenth century, dog fanciers in England, Ireland, and Scotland began to experiment with crosses between Bulldogs and Terriers, looking for a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the Bulldog. The result was a dog that embodied all of the virtues attributed to great warriors: strength, indomitable courage, and gentleness with loved ones. Immigrants brought these bull and terrier crosses to the United States. The American Pit Bull Terrier's many talents did not go unnoticed by farmers and ranchers who used their APBTs for protection, as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions. Today, the American Pit Bull Terrier continues to demonstrate its versatility, competing successfully in Obedience, Tracking, Agility, Protection, and Weight Pulls, as well as Conformation.

The United Kennel Club was the first registry to recognize the American Pit Bull Terrier. U.K.C. founder C. Z. Bennett assigned U.K.C. registration number 1 to his own APBT, Bennett's Ring in 1898.

General Appearance

The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog's height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.

Characteristics

The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed's natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.

The American Pit Bull Terrier has always been capable of doing a wide variety of jobs so exaggerations or faults should be penalized in proportion to how much they interfere with the dog's versatility.

Head

The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.

SKULL - The skull is large, flat or slightly rounded, deep, and broad between the ears. Viewed from the top, the skull tapers just slightly toward the stop. There is a deep median furrow that diminishes in depth from the stop to the occiput. Cheek muscles are prominent but free of wrinkles. When the dog is concentrating, wrinkles form on the forehead, which give the APBT his unique expression.

MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.

Faults: Snipey muzzle; flews; weak lower jaw.

TEETH - The American Pit Bull Terrier has a complete set of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite.

Fault: Level bite.

Serious Faults: Undershot, or overshot bite; wry mouth; missing teeth (this does not apply to teeth that have been lost or removed by a veterinarian).

NOSE - The nose is large with wide, open nostrils. The nose may be any color.

EYES - Eyes are medium size, round to almond-shaped, and set well apart and low on the skull. All colors are equally acceptable except blue, which is a serious fault. Haw should not be visible.

Serious Faults: Bulging eyes; both eyes not matched in color; blue eyes.

EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. If natural, semi-prick or rose are preferred. Prick or flat, wide ears are not desired.

Neck

The neck is of moderate length and muscular. There is a slight arch at the crest. The neck widens gradually from where it joins the skull to where it blends into well laid-back shoulders. The skin on the neck is tight and without dewlap.

Faults: Neck too short and thick; thin or weak neck; ewe neck; dewlap.

Forequarters

The shoulder blades are long, wide, muscular, and well laid back. The upper arm is roughly equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle.

The forelegs are strong and muscular. The elbows are set close to the body. Viewed from the front, the forelegs are set moderately wide apart and perpendicular to the ground. The pasterns are short, powerful, straight, and flexible. When viewed in profile, the pasterns are nearly erect.

Faults: Upright or loaded shoulders; elbows turned outward or tied-in; down at the pasterns; front legs bowed; wrists knuckled over; toeing in or out.

Body

The chest is deep, well filled in, and moderately wide with ample room for heart and lungs, but the chest should never be wider than it is deep. The forechest does not extend much beyond the point of shoulder. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung from the spine, then flattening to form a deep body extending to the elbows. The back is strong and firm. The topline inclines very slightly downward from the withers to a broad, muscular, level back. The loin is short, muscular and slightly arched to the top of the croup, but narrower than the rib cage and with a moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping downward.

Hindquarters

The hindquarters are strong, muscular, and moderately broad. The rump is well filled in on each side of the tail and deep from the pelvis to the crotch. The bone, angulation, and musculature of the hindquarters are in balance with the forequarters. The thighs are well developed with thick, easily discerned muscles. Viewed from the side, the hock joint is well bent and the rear pasterns are well let down and perpendicular to the ground. Viewed from the rear, the rear pasterns are straight and parallel to one another.
Faults: Narrow hindquarters; hindquarters shallow from pelvis to crotch; lack of muscle; straight or over angulated stifle joint; cow hocks; sickle hocks; bowed legs.

Feet

The feet are round, proportionate to the size of the dog, well arched, and tight. Pads are hard, tough, and well cushioned. Dewclaws may be removed.

Fault: Splayed feet.

Tail

The tail is set on as a natural extension of the topline, and tapers to a point. When the dog is relaxed, the tail is carried low and extends approximately to the hock. When the dog is moving, the tail is carried level with the backline. When the dog is excited, the tail may be carried in a raised, upright position (challenge tail), but never curled over the back (gay tail).

Fault: Long tail (tail tip passes beyond point of hock).

Serious faults: Gay tail (not to be confused with challenge tail); kinked tail.

Disqualification: Bobbed tail.

Coat

The coat is glossy and smooth, close, and moderately stiff to the touch.

Faults: Curly, wavy, or sparse coat.

Disqualification: Long coat.

Color

Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable, except for merle.

Disqualification: Merle

Height and Weight

The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Gait

The American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he expects any minute to see something new and exciting. When trotting, the gait is effortless, smooth, powerful, and well coordinated, showing good reach in front and drive behind. When moving, the backline remains level with only a slight flexing to indicate suppleness. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance.

Faults: Legs not moving on the same plane; legs over reaching; legs crossing over in front or rear; rear legs moving too close or touching; rolling; pacing; paddling; sidewinding; hackney action; pounding.

Disqualifications

Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Bobbed tail. Albinism. Merle. Long coat.

Note: Although some level of dog aggression is characteristic of this ed, handlers will be expected to comply with U.K.C. policy regarding dog temperament at U.K.C. events.

So again what is that dog the thread is concerning cause i thought you said it was an american bully?

I know what the two standards look like ....lol

It is an American Bully ... IMO

I just staed that the Am bully standard resembles (IMO) the AKC UKC standard.

MidwestBully wrote:

I know what the two standards look like ....lol

It is an American Bully ... IMO

OMG that dog does not meet the standards you posted at all!!! The dog doesn't look of great strength or agile or anythign but fat!! I guess different strokes for different folks and I posted the standard because you posted the other only fair they are both there since you put the one!

MidwestBully wrote:

It is an American Bully ... IMO

I agree. He's just um...big...I mean obese some. If they worked the dog down I think he would look okay.

I just don't see it but that's just me (the dog has no neck or jaw line). I guess I ran game to long to see anything but a fat dog in that pic! He is one of those fat low riders lol

People have taken it to the extreme.... it goes back to the "mine is bigger and better than yours" thing. If they took that dog and cut its food back and gave it a daily excersise routine he'd look great.
I've heard so many people say, "mine is 98lbs of pure muscle", then they post a pic of a dog that has no shape to it at all. You can't tell where its shoulders begin and its butt ends ... Its just one big oval shape ...lol
A dog like that can't be happy

MidwestBully wrote:

People have taken it to the extreme.... it goes back to the "mine is bigger and better than yours" thing. If they took that dog and cut its food back and gave it a daily excersise routine he'd look great.
I've heard so many people say, "mine is 98lbs of pure muscle", then they post a pic of a dog that has no shape to it at all. You can't tell where its shoulders begin and its butt ends ... Its just one big oval shape ...lol
A dog like that can't be happy

I agree

redsky wrote:

MidwestBully wrote:

People have taken it to the extreme.... it goes back to the "mine is bigger and better than yours" thing. If they took that dog and cut its food back and gave it a daily excersise routine he'd look great.
I've heard so many people say, "mine is 98lbs of pure muscle", then they post a pic of a dog that has no shape to it at all. You can't tell where its shoulders begin and its butt ends ... Its just one big oval shape ...lol
A dog like that can't be happy

I agree

I seond that!

I also agree...I want to show another picture, not of the bouncer. All honest opions...how does everyone feel about these dogs. Redsky I want to know your opion on it as well I wont post anymore pics, cause I dont want to get in trouble with anyone.

Bulldog crosses. There has to be a bulldog upclose in the lineage.

Bulldogs carry the bowed legs.

I've seen those dogs and they want like three grand for their pups maybe more can't remember but I'm sorry not my cup of tea. Those dogs movement has to be sh** with it's legs that far apart so I feel they would not be able to compete in agility with any success. They are nice dogs legs just to far apart for me and there isn't enough chest to even make it look decent. I personally have always gone for the perfection of the standard and I just don't see anything worth while in those dogs, sorry.

Yup those boys come from woods pits. The big male on the right is Thor and I think if Im right that, the pup is his son the enforcer....

I'm not a fan of the bowed leg look.

LegendsMami wrote:

I'm not a fan of the bowed leg look.

Me niether

anything over 65 lbs is bully? Well that would make zoe a bully then in your opinion right midwest?

Let me show you a pic, tell me how bully this is. She's a good 72 lbs here.

OK first of all those dogs in those pictures are so far out of conformation its crazy. Im not talking weight either but rather they are what we call in horses BASE WIDE. They are totally unsound.

Second I dont think weight has anything to do with determining bully or not. I think "BULLY" is a conformation TERM. A short, heavy, base wide dog would be bully to me even if it was 55lbs. It depends on the conformation of the dog. Zoe does not qualify as BULLY IMO

Oldfort wrote:

OK first of all those dogs in those pictures are so far out of conformation its crazy. Im not talking weight either but rather they are what we call in horses BASE WIDE. They are totally unsound.

Second I dont think weight has anything to do with determining bully or not. I think "BULLY" is a conformation TERM. A short, heavy, base wide dog would be bully to me even if it was 55lbs. It depends on the conformation of the dog. Zoe does not qualify as BULLY IMO

WELL SAID!!

I have to agree that is not a bully!!

AmericanPitbull wrote:

I also agree...I want to show another picture, not of the bouncer. All honest opions...how does everyone feel about these dogs. Redsky I want to know your opion on it as well I wont post anymore pics, cause I dont want to get in trouble with anyone.

They are definetly AWESOME by all means just not my thing,I too like the standard if you can even call it that!![img=https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img437/1680/forequartersforequ10fv1.th.jpg]

Now see that's my type of pit!! The one Eric posted anyways. I don't like those lowrider type dogs at all! I like a dog that is true to definition and I can do something more then look at.